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AirNav Radar => AirNav Radar Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 04:10:22 PM

Title: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 04:10:22 PM
We are happy to announce we finished the implementation of the automatic retrieval of route information (origin and destination airports) for all network flights.
This has been an old request from our users and we finally added that feature to our central server. From now on all network flights, when processed by our server, will have their origin/destination airports received (if available from the sources we get this data from).

In the meanwhile we have also finished the implementation of a brand new more robust flight information system. Because of this we totally cleaned our flight data table forcing all new flight numbers to be retrieved from our server. So expect the rate of valid origin/destinations to increase during the next days.

Hope you enjoy this new feature.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: abrad41 on November 12, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
Thank you very much.  This is the best place to be.

Keep up the good work AirNav Development

Andy
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 04:16:28 PM
Adding to the previous post please note that the rate of appearance of origin/destination information will be gradual as we have emptied our route info table. Taking in account the architecture of the system, the database on the central Network Server will be updated every 24 hours so only day after day you will see an increase. In 1 week we expect to have the system 100% stabilized and providing data for all available flights.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: RodBearden on November 12, 2008, 04:17:21 PM
Hi Dev and thanks - sounds great!

I think I'm already seeing an effect in that some network flights are showing a dash in the Route column - I presume that's where a lookup has produced no result.

Rod
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 04:19:11 PM
Thanks for your email: as a curiosity our network server is now processing over 100 million ADS-B messages per day!

We expect this to increase to 1 billion in 1 year. The system is now widely tested, stable, redundant and accurate. As usual send us any suggestions you may have.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 04:19:54 PM
RodBearden: affirm. During the next 2 to 3 days while the database gets populated again you will see many flights without info. But after that more and more flight info will appear.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: viking9 on November 12, 2008, 04:30:14 PM
Hi Guys at AirNav Development,

Many thanks for your hard work.

Tom
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Tailwinds on November 12, 2008, 04:30:14 PM
Airnav Development...

Many thanks for the update. 
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Deadcalm on November 12, 2008, 04:52:07 PM
Blimey, that's a bit smartish - a vast improvement on the 'end of the year' forecast!
I shall look forward to playing.  Thanks, Airnav - full of surprises.

Can you just confirm something for me - as I don't particularly want to download photos, if I turn off that feature, will it affect the regular population of my database?  I seem to remember reading somewhere recently (in the forum) that someone was having a problem doing the same thing.

DC
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 04:57:56 PM
We can confirm that happens and it is client/software related.
It is a known bug and it on our to-do list.

There are bugs/problems/suggestions like this one we have just finished to implement that require only server programming. All the other problems that require software changes will be corrected when V2.1 comes out.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Blackthorn on November 12, 2008, 06:36:20 PM
Looks like I made the right choice in getting the RadarBox ;-)
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Wayne on November 12, 2008, 10:02:32 PM
Other than connect to the network do i have to do anything else as not one single netork flight is showing route information
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 12, 2008, 10:10:30 PM
As explained above it will take 2 to 3 days to start having results. We had to empty our flight number database to implement this feature.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Wayne on November 12, 2008, 10:12:33 PM
So you did. sorry, just a bit impatient !
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: gzerovti on November 13, 2008, 11:00:13 AM
Thank you, this fully answers my recent queries and concerns.

Terry
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Tailwinds on November 14, 2008, 10:30:42 PM
Just tracked UAL922 on Heathrow Approach but the route is showing KORD-KIAD instead of KORD-EGLL in "My Flights". (Not Network).
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 14, 2008, 10:40:08 PM
That may happen because you had the wrong information stored on your local table. Try to delete that entry using File menu, Database Explorer and it will get the data again from our server (this time the correct data since we already updated it).
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 14, 2008, 10:55:02 PM
I've just manually confirmed by querying our main database and UAL922 is listed as KORD-KIAD-EGLL so all is Ok with the new routine. Do what we suggested and you will see the proper information appearing.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Tailwinds on November 14, 2008, 11:12:52 PM
Ok, I've selected "Routes" in the Database explorer and found UAL922. Do I just hilight the section that says UAL922 and then click "Delete Record"?

EDIT...It's Ok. I've just deleted that record.

Thanks.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Deadcalm on November 16, 2008, 11:48:17 AM
Several days on, now, from this upgrade.

I still have strange routes on my radar map - currently EZY3211 (which is correctly described as EGSS - LEPA in the database, and on various websites) is shown on the map as EHAM - EGSS.  And a fair number of flights don't display a route at all.

Also, can Airnav confirm whether or not the continual switching on and off of Hardware processing is still required for many aircraft to display routes, or has this been "fixed" with this upgrade - 'cos I find it's still necessary to keep doing this.

Thanks

DC
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 16, 2008, 08:44:05 PM
We have on our central database EZY3211 listed as EGSS-LEPA. What do you have on your database entry? (use database explorer to check it).

Regarding switching on/off the hardware to process routes: it is the first time we receive that complaint. Please send a detailed report to our support, by email, so we can add it to the V2.1 to-do list.

Adding to this our central db has now 20K flights listed. As we explained before we had totally cleaned it and it is being re-populated at a rate of 8000 flights/day. So to reach the level of 75K flights we had before we will have to wait a few more days.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: RodBearden on November 16, 2008, 08:53:28 PM
Hi Dev - this has been discussed many times. This thread is typical: http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=1356.msg11237#msg11237 (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=1356.msg11237#msg11237).

I'm having to do this very regularly - about every 20 minutes, or more often if an interesting hardware flight appears without a route.

I do hope it will get fixed soon!

Rod
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 16, 2008, 09:37:56 PM
Copied and our support will take care of it.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Support on November 16, 2008, 11:15:59 PM
Just a bit confusion by Development thinking it was another issue not related to network flights.

Don't worry we know about that bug. Once the network flights are getting routes from a full database then this issue won't be a large deal unless you have routes in your database which are not our server.

That can only be fixed with a software update and not something we can do on the network.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Deadcalm on November 17, 2008, 09:23:50 AM
"We have on our central database EZY3211 listed as EGSS-LEPA. What do you have on your database entry? (use database explorer to check it).

Regarding switching on/off the hardware to process routes: it is the first time we receive that complaint. Please send a detailed report to our support, by email, so we can add it to the V2.1 to-do list.
"

Airnav, I don't think you read my post properly - I reported that the database is correct, it's the radar map that displays the wrong route.

And I didn't say I had to switch on and off the hardware, I said that I had to switch on and off Hardware processing (ticking/unticking that feature) which provides a temporary partial cure, and which you are aware of (and  which has been discussed at length on this forum).

I wanted to know if the changes you have made server-side were expected to cure these problems, or whether we are still waiting for a software fix.

DC
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: AirNav Development on November 17, 2008, 04:25:51 PM
We understood it now after getting the report from our support. No problem with this one. It is on the to-do list for V2.1.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: dumpty on November 23, 2008, 07:20:01 AM
Am I the only user who hasn't noticed any increase in route information in the network flights?
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: tarbat on November 23, 2008, 07:52:33 AM
dumpty, I'm seeing a lot more aircraft with routes in the network flights.  Which country are you looking at?
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Deadcalm on November 23, 2008, 09:35:39 AM
Dumpty, you are not alone - I notice that there are still a large number of flights without route information here in France - even flights by UK operators which emanate from (or are returning to) the UK.

Airnav say they can't guarantee route information for every flight, which isn't unreasonable, although as this product is sold world-wide I would have thought that it would be useful if foreign operators' flight details could be readily available, too.

Don't know what the answer is, but it would seem from reports on this forum that there appears to be more route information available with the competitor's unit, for some reason...

DC
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Blackthorn on November 23, 2008, 09:37:31 AM
At the moment I am tracking 76 flights in MyFlights but only 4 are showing route information.

I know I have seen better than this.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Allocator on November 23, 2008, 10:02:52 AM
Right now I have 48 aircraft in MyFlights and 19 with routes.

Central UK
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: tarbat on November 23, 2008, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Deadcalm on November 23, 2008, 09:35:39 AMDon't know what the answer is, but it would seem from reports on this forum that there appears to be more route information available with the competitor's unit, for some reason...

AFAIK, the competitor's unit (SBS-1) doesn't provide any route information.  Hey, it doesn't even provide network flights (the subject of this thread)!!

It is possible to get near-100% route data using Planeplotter and Flight Display 6.
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: Blackthorn on November 23, 2008, 10:29:02 AM
Cheers Allocator

At 10:27 I have 64 flights and now 17 routes. Much better than earlier.

Derby UK
Title: Re: New feature: Route Data on Network Flights
Post by: jasper37 on November 23, 2008, 12:42:35 PM
hmm,,,,,,,,,,,many thx support just noticed this new upgrade