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AirNav Radar => AirNav Radar Discussion => Topic started by: MrT on October 03, 2009, 03:19:46 AM

Title: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: MrT on October 03, 2009, 03:19:46 AM
Geeze it's quiet here in Melbourne on Saturday afternoons.

Not much happening.

Dum de dum (twiddling of thumbs) : )
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: pjm on October 03, 2009, 03:25:31 AM
I think you were asking about military aircraft from Richmond.

Unfortunately for all military this is about all you get (Mode S, Altitude, Squawk)

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8562/20091003131836.jpg)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8562/20091003131836.jpg
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: MrT on October 03, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
Thanks PJM,

Yes, its a shame they don't transmit more info.


Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: Fenris on October 03, 2009, 07:27:09 AM
Quote from: MrT on October 03, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
Yes, its a shame they don't transmit more info.

Well if they did that then something pointy and explosive could well come their way. There are always cases where somebody has mis-set the switches during combat ops.
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: MrT on October 03, 2009, 07:57:24 AM
I think that would probably happen regardless of simple ADS-B transmisions.

Mass hysteria, fear and paranoia have really got a grip on the western world since 911.

Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: Allocator on October 03, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
You can also populate the aircraft details manually using DataBase Explorer if they are not being auto-populated so that you get more information.  This is from airframes.org


A97-467    Lockheed Martin    C-130J-30 Hercules   C30J   5467 L4T    7CF83A   Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)   2000            
Remarks:    37 Sqn


That would also give you the aircraft silhouette.  You can then set an Alert for 7CF* mode S codes to capture the Australian military aircraft (need to check that code though, to make sure that they are all in this sequence).
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: MrT on October 03, 2009, 08:02:42 AM
Quote from: Allocator on October 03, 2009, 08:00:41 AM
You can also populate the aircraft details manuall if they are not being auto-populated so that you get more information.  This is from airframes.org


A97-467    Lockheed Martin    C-130J-30 Hercules   C30J   5467 L4T    7CF83A   Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)   2000            
Remarks:    37 Sqn


Thanks Allocator

I'll do that.

Cheers,

Paul.
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: pjm on October 04, 2009, 04:38:23 AM
Quote from: pjm on October 03, 2009, 03:25:31 AM
I think you were asking about military aircraft from Richmond.
Unfortunately for all military this is about all you get (Mode S, Altitude, Squawk)

Well what do you know - just spotted an RAAF plane sending ADS-B. It went on to land at Sydney, not Richmond though....

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3697/20091004151507.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: MrT on October 04, 2009, 04:41:56 AM
Nice one.

Maybe the PM's jet ?? : )
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: DaveReid on October 04, 2009, 07:21:07 AM
Quote from: pjm on October 04, 2009, 04:38:23 AM
Well what do you know - just spotted an RAAF plane sending ADS-B. It went on to land at Sydney, not Richmond though....

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3697/20091004151507.jpg)

You might want to take the opportunity to correct the type code in your NavData.db3 database - "B73B" isn't a valid ICAO code.  RAAF A36-002 is a 737-7DF (ICAO B737) and I note that there are another 100 or so "B73B"s in my NavData, most should be ICAO B737s or B738s.

Other "B73B"s include, for some strange reason, a Fokker F-27 (N737A), a Gulfstream V (VP-BNZ) and a Sikorsky S-55 (N739A) !

Having said that, the signs are looking good, now that V3 is out, that the aircraft details/photo issue will soon be fixed once and for all.
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: pjm on October 04, 2009, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: DaveReid on October 04, 2009, 07:21:07 AM
You might want to take the opportunity to correct the type code in your NavData.db3 database - "B73B" isn't a valid ICAO code.  RAAF A36-002 is a 737-7DF (ICAO B737) and I note that there are another 100 or so "B73B"s in my NavData, most should be ICAO B737s or B738s.

Is there somewhere I can get an up to date list (like from the airframes.org you mentioned recently) and populate all the missing/incorrect fields in a bulk update somehow?
Title: Re: Quiet Saturday Afternoon
Post by: DaveReid on October 04, 2009, 10:29:27 AM
Quote from: pjm on October 04, 2009, 08:44:18 AM
Is there somewhere I can get an up to date list (like from the airframes.org you mentioned recently) and populate all the missing/incorrect fields in a bulk update somehow?

You can easily verify what is and isn't a valid ICAO Type Designator by using ICAO's own website at www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643 and then you can use any of the SQLite utilities to do a batch update of your NavData.db3.

I can't understand why AirNav haven't done that themselves, there's really no excuse.  But as I said in my last post, issues like this should shortly be a thing of the past.