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AirNav Radar => AirNav Radar Discussion => Topic started by: Rockeyes on April 29, 2008, 10:30:04 PM

Title: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on April 29, 2008, 10:30:04 PM
Could we please have some greater map detail in the future covering main roads and towns etc or be able to import an overlay.? It would certainly help in the visualisation on where these aircraft are.

Thanks
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Allocator on April 30, 2008, 07:56:22 AM
Quote from: Rockeyes on April 29, 2008, 10:30:04 PM
Could we please have some greater map detail in the future covering main roads and towns etc or be able to import an overlay.? It would certainly help in the visualisation on where these aircraft are.

Thanks


You can import an overlay, the problem is that nobody has actually created the one you want yet!
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on April 30, 2008, 08:29:36 AM
I'm sorry I don't think I was very clear.

I have imported a couple of overlay's giving out lines of the airfields etc, which are great (Thank you 'bones http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/Kinetic/Kinetic_Utilities.htm)
and have tried with some success making a cople of outlines of my own. What I would realy love is to have or be able to do is some thing like this:

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/gransden/overlay1.jpg)(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/gransden/overlay2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: JimK on April 30, 2008, 08:39:44 AM
ooohhhh that would be cool.

Not an entirely useful contribution from me, but still that would be cool.
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on April 30, 2008, 08:52:01 AM
All contributions are useful. One it makes me feel better that I'm not asking for something that nobody wants or needs and the guy's at AirNav get a good idea on what to develop to entice future purchasers.

So Thank you
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: AirNav Support on April 30, 2008, 09:59:02 AM
I am sure I have seen a link around which was exporting to google map with a 5 minute delay.

EDIT, found it, don't know whether it works fully. Please note this is not made by us and hence we do not take any support, warranty for its actions.

http://www.libhomeradar.org/documentation/index.html
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on April 30, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
Thank you for the link. Gave it a quick go but unfortunately no joy. I will have another go when I'm back.
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: JimK on April 30, 2008, 11:35:42 AM
I've had a look. Not having a C compiler on my laptop limits me.

Although not nearly as much as not being able to program in C, or anything for that matter.

Although it has potential!!

I'll surf some more and see what I can come up with I'm sure some clever chap or chapette has done this already.

I just need the rain to stop so I can get on the roof with me new twig.

Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on May 03, 2008, 10:47:09 AM
Same problems here with that software, it's a shame.


Looking forward to you findings with your new twig Jim. Start a new thread and give us a report : )
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on May 06, 2008, 08:08:59 AM
Just seen this on the Airnav web http://www.airnavlive.com which is great but it begs the question on how far the RB software will be developed? There seems to be a conflict of interests. For example if the airnavlive has google maps why can't the RB use them?

Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: AirNav Support on May 06, 2008, 09:33:08 AM
We have provided a great software for RadarBox with many features in RadarBox 2008 and we will be adding more. Its not case of conflict of intrest.

The details are all there for someone to easily add a google map function or google earth function (which will work with a 5 minute delay).

AirNavLive has been established for different reasons and has nothing to do with affecting RadarBox. Not sure why you say that?
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on May 06, 2008, 11:43:45 AM
  Sorry I seem to have touched a nerve. It was not my intention to offend. I simply came across the description of the new version of AirNav Live data and thought of the similarities of the other products you have and how a feature on one would not necessary be offered on another. I personally would like the RB equipment to be able to do it all and would not mind a small charge for an add-on.
If google maps etc where available as an overlay to the RB software, redundancy of the Airnavlive.com would surely be just around the corner. Out of interest does the Airlive use the information supplied by subscribers to the RB upload/live subscription service? 
Anyway enough of that 'scuttlebutt' You say "  The details are all there for someone to easily add a google map function or google earth function (which will work with a 5 minute delay)" Could you please point me in the right direction so I could make use of this? No need for a 5min delay if I'm using live data from my RB. 



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Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: AirNav Support on May 06, 2008, 12:35:03 PM
Ok I understand your confusion here.

AirNavLive.com and AirNav Live Data are two different things. Live Data is a software product which allows access to the raw data and is suited for Pros.

AirNavLive.com is simply a website that we are providing access to free of charge showing flights round the world and even the ads-b flights from the network. The site is for those who quickly want to check a flight and get its basic details for either personal purpose or pro. (Please note this website is in beta stage so details, features etc.. could change)

None of the above affects RadarBox in any way.

Where we mean "easy" to add a google map externally. You do need programming knowldege :)

Hope that explains things.
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on May 06, 2008, 03:08:51 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Is this something you may develop in the near future? Unfortunately I have zero programming skills.

Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: AirNav Support on May 06, 2008, 03:46:33 PM
To be honest other than outputting to google earth, we may not want to output to google maps live due to risks in have that locked only available to the user at that machine.
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: JimK on May 06, 2008, 06:41:16 PM
Hey I can live with Google Earth! It's ok !

Sorry yet another missive not quite worth the 2 peneth used to send it.

Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on May 06, 2008, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: AirNav Support on May 06, 2008, 03:46:33 PM
To be honest other than outputting to google earth, we may not want to output to google maps live due to risks in have that locked only available to the user at that machine.
Thanks for your honesty but I am not entirely sure what you mean? I presume detailed mapping and use of google earth is a great asset or you would not be using it as a plug for AirNavLive.com. So how about just giving it some consideration and letting us have a choice?
I hope you don't mind me asking and trying to push things along but I feel the only way for me to feel 100% about this product is seeing it allowed to breath and blossom (Hey it's May).
Just getting a little frustrated, as I really would like to be able to use the RB as a tool for my personal research into air traffic. The 'isn't that clever' and 'HOW MUCH!' Soon wears off. Highly detailed and flexible mapping, a second to none flexible database and the ability to instantly record, is what I need before I look to the dark side.   

I have just read this posting back and it could be construed that am being harsh, please don't take it as being so.
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: AirNav Support on May 06, 2008, 10:29:01 PM
Rockeyes,

Firstly I will explain the technical detail:

- Exporting Live Flights to Google Earth is possible and is something that we mentioned internally well back in version 1.2. However at the time there was not much demand for it.

- Exporting to Google Map (web based application) is also possible. Again not much demand.

However both pose security risks, exporting any live data to be passed to external applications (Google earth) or web based (Google map) can be intercepted and relayed for whatever use. (This is why we have a 5 minute delayed feed due to security)

Therefore in both cases it will be a delayed feed, if its done. This brings as back to my point earlier, if it runs off the delayed feed then it can be done by a programmer as mini project :)

"So how about just giving it some consideration and letting us have a choice?"

Yes that does sound harsh. You can only need to read through all the posts on this forum and note that we have taken on board many comments and also note that there have been 5 updates to the software in less than a 10 months.

Our procedure is too take note of requests and sort them via time, cost, popularity. The ones which appear top of the list are done for the next version and so on.

"you would not be using it as a plug for AirNavLive.com?"

This is simple way to show a detailed map on the web (important bit is web). You have mentioned AirnNavLive.com but as mentioned in the last post it is totally different to RadarBox with different features and usage.

If you want something immediately done they you will be looking at a custom built application then please contact our sales team and we will discuss costs.

We are happy listening to criticsm, requests though. :)
Title: Re: UK map detailing request.
Post by: Rockeyes on May 07, 2008, 08:12:14 AM
Firstly I would like to say that the support, speed and understanding shown is second to none, so thank you.

Ok back to the topic. This 5 min delay thing drives me mad. I am not interested in anything to do with the delay and Internet received data, I appreciate your sensitivity on that issue. So a solution not involving the live data output must be the way forward.

I notice the map files have the extension .ML3 could you tell me something about these? For example is it possible for a user of the RB system to open one of these files, enhance with data like roads, towns etc save and use? Obviously the technique used for adding airfield outlines would be of little use on this scale.

Bill

PS How about adding a method of voting on the forum? That way it would be simpler to see if something has been requested before and the developers can see how popular the ideas are etc?