Flight route update info

[DaveReid]

Dave: are you interested in correcting our database directly instead of posting 1 or 2 corrections that make no difference at all for the total number of records we have?

I don't understand what you mean. 

Anyone is free to use my posts to update their local flights table. 

Equally, you are perfectly welcome to use the same data youselves to update the central database, to everyone's benefit, although I note that you haven't done so as yet, if that's what you mean by "making no difference".

Do you have a proposition in mind, or are you simply complaining that I'm not posting enough updates ?  PM me if it's something you prefer not to discuss in the open forum.

[orkney]

hello

Here are 2 routes chosen at random to be updated By Dave.
<Flight>
<FlightNumber>TFL995</FlightNumber>
<Callsign>Arkefly 995</Callsign>
<Error>No information for this flight number</Error>
</Flight>

(EHAM-BIKF  from airnav's route server)


<Flight>
<FlightNumber>DLH6HT</FlightNumber>
<Callsign>Lufthansa 6HT</Callsign>
<Error>No information for this flight number</Error>
</Flight>

(EGLL-EDDK from libhomeradar)



Also in my opinion the best service for transatlantic/USA flight routes is flightaware .

Andrew

[DaveReid]

DLH6HT (LH4787) does indeed fly EGLL-EDDK.

TFL995 doesn't belong in any database as it's a positioning flight. 

That's fortunate, as today's routing (EHAM-BIKF-CYYZ-KMIA) wouldn't fit in AirNav's From-To-Via database structure anyway.

[orkney]

TFL995 doesn't belong in any database as it's a positioning flight. 

hello

If you know it is a positioning wouldn't using "positioning flight - various routes" rather than "No information for this flight number" be better?

Andrew

[DaveReid]

If you know it is a positioning wouldn't using "positioning flight - various routes" rather than "No information for this flight number" be better?

That might be worth considering, although it's not quite that straightforward.

Despite having a simple web browser interface which allows end-users like you to interrogate the database, the web service is principally aimed at server-based SOAP/.NET-compatible applications (which is why it returns data in XML format).

I'll check with the operators of those hosts that are currently using the web service (or the ones that I know about, at least) to make sure it wouldn't break any of their applications.

[orkney]

Hello Dave

Thanks for letting me know that

Andrew

[orkney]

hello again

Sorry to bother you again but Do you have any idea what the routing of AEY14 AEY19 and AEY15 is within the last 5 days?

Andrew

[DaveReid]

Sorry to bother you again but Do you have any idea what the routing of AEY14 AEY19 and AEY15 is within the last 5 days?

Afraid not. 

Other than the AEY1xx domestic routes and the AEY4xx/5xx international services I don't have any other Air Italy routings.

And best not to ask AirNav directly, I did that with an Air India flight a week ago and got my knuckles rapped for it ...

[AirNav Development]

Dave, if you have a way for us to automatically update our database let us know.
We have to be inteligent here and posting routing information one by one is not the smartest way of getting and even better database.

[DaveReid]

Just departed LHR, no route shown:

  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
- <Flight>
  <FlightNumber>IBE31GL</FlightNumber>
  <Callsign>Iberia 31GL</Callsign>
- <Leg>
- <Origin>
  <ICAOCode>EGLL</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>LHR</IATACode>
  <AirportName>LONDON/HEATHROW</AirportName>
  <Country>UNITED KINGDOM</Country>
  </Origin>
- <Destination>
  <ICAOCode>LEMD</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>MAD</IATACode>
  <AirportName>MADRID (BARAJAS)</AirportName>
  <Country>SPAIN</Country>
  </Destination>
  <GCDistanceNM>672</GCDistanceNM>
  </Leg>
  </Flight>

Source: www.flightroutelookup.com

This information is hereby placed in the public domain and may be freely used without attribution by any individual or organisation.

Dave

[DaveReid]

Dave, if you have a way for us to automatically update our database let us know.
We have to be inteligent here and posting routing information one by one is not the smartest way of getting and even better database.

We're going round in circles here.

I have already suggested a method by which routes could be automatically derived and validated from network flights data.

You tell us that you have now implemented this (although you refuse to discuss the details).

It clearly isn't working.

What do you want me to do about it ?

[DaveReid]

Currently on the network over western France (server shows Rome to Addis Ababa):

  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
- <Flight>
  <FlightNumber>ETH501</FlightNumber>
  <Callsign>Ethiopian 501</Callsign>
- <Leg>
- <Origin>
  <ICAOCode>KIAD</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>IAD</IATACode>
  <AirportName>WASHINGTON (DULLES)</AirportName>
  <Country>UNITED STATES</Country>
  </Origin>
- <Destination>
  <ICAOCode>LIRF</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>FCO</IATACode>
  <AirportName>ROME (LEONARDO DA VINCI)</AirportName>
  <Country>ITALY</Country>
  </Destination>
  <GCDistanceNM>3902</GCDistanceNM>
  </Leg>
- <Leg>
- <Origin>
  <ICAOCode>LIRF</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>FCO</IATACode>
  <AirportName>ROME (LEONARDO DA VINCI)</AirportName>
  <Country>ITALY</Country>
  </Origin>
- <Destination>
  <ICAOCode>HAAB</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>ADD</IATACode>
  <AirportName>ADDIS ABABA (BOLE INTERNATIONAL)</AirportName>
  <Country>ETHIOPIA</Country>
  </Destination>
  <GCDistanceNM>2418</GCDistanceNM>
  </Leg>
  </Flight>

Source: www.flightroutelookup.com

This information is hereby placed in the public domain and may be freely used without attribution by any individual or organisation.

Dave

[DaveReid]

Just airborne from Heathrow, no route showing:

  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
- <Flight>
  <FlightNumber>BAW982G</FlightNumber>
  <Callsign>Speedbird 982G</Callsign>
- <Leg>
- <Origin>
  <ICAOCode>EGLL</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>LHR</IATACode>
  <AirportName>LONDON/HEATHROW</AirportName>
  <Country>UNITED KINGDOM</Country>
  </Origin>
- <Destination>
  <ICAOCode>EDDT</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>TXL</IATACode>
  <AirportName>BERLIN (TEGEL)</AirportName>
  <Country>GERMANY</Country>
  </Destination>
  <GCDistanceNM>511</GCDistanceNM>
  </Leg>
  </Flight>

Source: www.flightroutelookup.com

This information is hereby placed in the public domain and may be freely used without attribution by any individual or organisation.

Dave

[DaveReid]

Currently showing on the network on finals for Madrid/Barajas (route showing as Houston-Newark):

  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
- <Flight>
  <FlightNumber>COA62</FlightNumber>
  <Callsign>Continental 62</Callsign>
- <Leg>
- <Origin>
  <ICAOCode>KIAH</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>IAH</IATACode>
  <AirportName>HOUSTON (INTERCONTINENTAL)</AirportName>
  <Country>UNITED STATES</Country>
  </Origin>
- <Destination>
  <ICAOCode>KEWR</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>EWR</IATACode>
  <AirportName>NEWARK</AirportName>
  <Country>UNITED STATES</Country>
  </Destination>
  <GCDistanceNM>1215</GCDistanceNM>
  </Leg>
- <Leg>
- <Origin>
  <ICAOCode>KEWR</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>EWR</IATACode>
  <AirportName>NEWARK</AirportName>
  <Country>UNITED STATES</Country>
  </Origin>
- <Destination>
  <ICAOCode>LEMD</ICAOCode>
  <IATACode>MAD</IATACode>
  <AirportName>MADRID (BARAJAS)</AirportName>
  <Country>SPAIN</Country>
  </Destination>
  <GCDistanceNM>3124</GCDistanceNM>
  </Leg>
  </Flight>

Source: www.flightroutelookup.com

This information is hereby placed in the public domain and may be freely used without attribution by any individual or organisation.

Dave

[DaveReid]

Currently showing on the network overhead Banbury (route showing as Gatwick to Heathrow): BAW9263

BAW9xxx flight numbers are non-scheduled flights, with variable routings, and should not be in the flight lookup database.